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500HP ALL MOTOR 1GN NEON

Post by hotrod » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:38 pm

HI! I just wanted to know, whats The Best Engine For All Motor? The 2.0L SOHC , 2.0L DOHC, Or The Stratus 2.4L DOHC Engine?
My Goal is to Outrun a 505hp Corvette, or just keep up with one, and do this as sleepy <---(Sleeper) as possible lol... :shock:

Also, Does anyone know whats the fastest you can go, in an all motor neon? PLUS MODS OF COURSE! A TON OF THEM...
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Post by JeffB#2 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:20 am

Mid 200s WHP with a 2.4 block will run high 11s/very low 12s as long as everything else to support it has been done as well. You'll spend a lot of money to get there.
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Post by Low-Speed » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:01 pm

You can get almost 300 hp out of one. The airflow says so.
You'll start with a 2.4, run a .060 overbore, and sleeves may be your best friend.
Good sleeves alone are going to run 800 or so, installed.

From there, you will have to custom spec a piston. You'll need 15:1 or more. It will have to be a custom piston, thin crown, lightweight, probably needs to be a 2-ring design, and will absolutely have to have a low-tension race ring. You use the 2-ring design to get as much rod length as you can. You're also going to want to take advantage of what Arias calls Hard Coat, or hard anodizing of the ring lands, ceramic coating of the top of the pistons, and Molybdenum Di-sulfate coatings on the skirts. Cost $1000-1500 for 4, and may have to order 8.

Then, you'll need a good set of rods. Titanium will prove to be lightest and strongest, and you can plan on spending $800-2200/rod, depending on market price at the time.

Let's not forget the crankshaft won't hold up (don't believe me, Ryan Warner has pictures). So you'll need a custom crankshaft. My best guess, is that's a bit over $2000, at a minimum.

Then, there's a matter that you're going to have to have an Awesome port job on the head, you probably want Titanium Valves, Mechanical Lash Adjusters, and a set of springs that will handle the RPM you're trying to turn briefly. A fully custom Camshaft Grind to make power in that range. All told, you'll probably spend $5K in the head.

From there, you should be looking at the exhaust header, which is gonna have to be built, and will run $1500 or more.

You'll need an intake designed to work in your powerband, which is another custom part you'll have to get built. Understand All-Motor Mike offers a good product, at a good price.

Let's not forget you then need a professional tuning solution. $2-8K

Let's not forget the time, expertise, etc, to get that setup together.

And, for all you spent in the motor, you then need a caged chassis, stripped to the bone, heavy suspension mods, transmission work from Drakito, all the lightweight parts you can find, upgraded tires/wheels, and a good bit of luck.

All that happens, and you might have a chance. I know a C6 Z06 is capable of mid 11's showroom stock, and around 10.8's on slicks. Throw in I/H/E and a tune, some of them will run into the 10.4's. To get a N/A Neon into that range, you'll need at least what I pointed out, and hell, you can damn near buy and mod a Corvette for that cost.
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:04 pm

500HP N/A neon...


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Post by hotrod » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:14 pm

Thanks everyone, for all the wonderful Info, that cleared up things alot! :cry:

So basically I need to go the turbo route then right?

I dont want to put a 2.4L engine In my 1GN Anymore, I want to stick with the 2.0L, an just swap to the DOHC Engine.

An In doing this, since Im going to be turbocharging this engine,
I should put a SOHC on bottom end, and DOHC on top, for low compression right?

On 7-8psi What Hp would I Obtain On Stock Block?
before Upgrading To Internal Performance Mods.

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Post by sabu » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:46 pm

7-8 PSI with an SRT4 turbo and stock internals will net about 240whp. Depending on elevation, tune and the dyno.
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Post by NCNeon » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:49 pm

i have a question, from what i understand, the best route for me to take since i have a sohc would be dohc head and srt4 parts?
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:21 pm

sabu wrote:7-8 PSI with an SRT4 turbo and stock internals will net about 240whp. Depending on elevation, tune and the dyno.
Where do you get that? The 2.4T puts down that much with more displacement and more boost.
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Post by DOHCRT » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:29 pm

You cant use SRT pistons or rods in a 2.0L.

7-8psi on a 2.0L will net around 180whp with an SRT turbo.

If you have no money, using stock SOHC pistons with a DOHC head will lower the compression ratio. Using ARP rods bolts on the stock rods is good as well.
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Post by sabu » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:17 pm

racer12306 wrote:
sabu wrote:7-8 PSI with an SRT4 turbo and stock internals will net about 240whp. Depending on elevation, tune and the dyno.
Where do you get that? The 2.4T puts down that much with more displacement and more boost.
A neon enthusiast here in MB made 215WHP on 7 psi from SRT turbo. 2L. Stock timing, SAFC and RRFPR.

This was on a mustang dyno, 600 ft elevation and a well done tune.

EDIT: 240WHP was a little high, this is true. I can't see why you can't make 200WHP.
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Post by 98moparR/T » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:16 pm

my brothers srt with exhaust. intake..stage 1 and wasteage at 18psi put down 265whp and 280ft-lbs
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Post by Low-Speed » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:25 pm

And my last SRT put down 272/301 spiking 16 holding 13. That's not atypical for the 2.4 SRT engines on stock turbo.

However, you can figure approximately a 15-20% loss from the displacement of the 2.0L. Let's not forget, it is not specifically tuned for a turbo, and unless you put a Megasquirt on it, you aren't going to get the optimum levels out of it.

The exhaust is restrictive enough on the stock turbo that even with only 2.0L of displacement, it will not make good power up high, and so overall, it's not going to be that strong.

If this guy seriously wants to compete with a Vette, he may want to go to a 2.4, SRT Internals, and a well tuned Delta 44 or similar. That's about the minimum he'll need to have a legitimate shot. He's also going to need a cage if he ever carries it to a track at that point....
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Post by hotrod » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:57 pm

wow um 200hp sounds good =)
for now, I mean Its a start...

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Post by DOHCRT » Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:02 pm

sabu wrote:This was on a mustang dyno.
That's why it was a high number. Mustang dyno's always yield significantly higher results than Dynojets.
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Post by sabu » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:59 pm

DOHCRT wrote:
sabu wrote:This was on a mustang dyno.
That's why it was a high number. Mustang dyno's always yield significantly higher results than Dynojets.
That has been talked about a lot here in Winnipeg. We have two big shops with dynos. The mustang dyno does usually have a higher number with the same car.
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