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need swap help bad

Post by 2.4swapneon » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:38 pm

i have a 97 neon coupe im swapping a 2.4 in. i am using a 2.4 stratus block with a 97 neon dohc head. i tried to start it today and having no luck. its just popping. i was wondering what timing marks i would use and what fifring order i should use. this is my first swap and i am lost on it. i need all the help i can get and will greatly appreciate it. im going to be out working on it and checking every few hours to see if i have anything or you can text or call me. 724-557-6486. thank you so much.
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Post by srt4eh » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:32 pm

make sure you have the 2.4 side of the cam gears facing out and follow the how-to for swapping the wiring for injectors and coil.
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Post by srtdreamin » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:32 pm

Now u know what to do...so get to work...lol jk :D Good luck with the build :D
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Post by srt4eh » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:00 pm

copied from the org
Find pin 2 and 3
Pin 2 should be Black and Grey
Pin 3 should be Dark Blue and Tan
Remove both wires and switch them. Put pin 2 in pin 3's spot and pin 3 in pin 2's spot.
You just swapped the outer 2 coil pack wires. See it’s easy.

1. Move pin 7 to 16
2. Then take 16's original wire and move it to 17
3. Then take 17's original wire and move it to 13
4. Then take 13's original wire and move it to 7

So after your done.
Pin 7 should be White/Dark Blue
Pin 13 should be Tan
Pin 16 should be Yellow/White
Pin 17 should be Light Blue/Brown

You just moved all the injector plugs down one. It will now appear stock up front. You now will NOT have to extend the injector plugs or move them down one. Just install the injector plugs where they normally go.
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Post by 2.4swapneon » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:13 pm

thanks for the help everyone. i found out that you have to rotate the cam magnet 90 degrees for it to work. and so thats the plan for tomorrow and hope it will fire up
97 2.4 swapped neon coupe
crower stage 2 cams springs and retainers
shaved 2.0 head
24lb injectors
mopar ecu
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Post by srtdreamin » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:27 am

Hope it works out for ya!
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Post by jamieely » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:53 am

srt4eh wrote:copied from the org
Find pin 2 and 3
Pin 2 should be Black and Grey
Pin 3 should be Dark Blue and Tan
Remove both wires and switch them. Put pin 2 in pin 3's spot and pin 3 in pin 2's spot.
You just swapped the outer 2 coil pack wires. See it’s easy.

1. Move pin 7 to 16
2. Then take 16's original wire and move it to 17
3. Then take 17's original wire and move it to 13
4. Then take 13's original wire and move it to 7

So after your done.
Pin 7 should be White/Dark Blue
Pin 13 should be Tan
Pin 16 should be Yellow/White
Pin 17 should be Light Blue/Brown

You just moved all the injector plugs down one. It will now appear stock up front. You now will NOT have to extend the injector plugs or move them down one. Just install the injector plugs where they normally go.
I am almost positive if you finish reading that how to they figured out this wasn't the correct way either. If I remember correctly it was explained really why it was wrong and why the other way is better. It is a pretty recent discovery, within the last 2 years I believe. I helped with 2 swaps and did it the way you described and when I tried to help someone on the big org I got thrashed for telling people the wrong way. I went back and read the post and sure enough they switched it up. I will go look and edit this if I am wrong, that is possible since I haven't slept in awhile, but I am pretty sure moving them down one isn't the correct way anymore even though it works fine.
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Post by 1genRTturbo » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:57 am

being correct is in the eye of... oh who the hell am i kidding. im suprissed bumpin and his ass budy 1gn arent thrashin by now saying how much a pos it is cause its a neon. either way. good luck man let us know what it was.
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Post by jamieely » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:12 pm

I just reviewed the how to again and moving them down one is now the incorrect way, even though it works.

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=249756

1 becomes 3
2 becomes 1
3 becomes 4
4 becomes 2

Here is the post on why the "move them down one" is the incorrect way. I found it interesting and very well explained. http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=318427
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DOHC Mopar PCM
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Custom CAI, 60mm MPx TB, AMM Box Intake, DOHC pistons, built4race UDP
PT Clutch, 3.94 FD
AF/X LTH, High Flow Cat, Spiral Flow, 2.5" piping, Flowmaster 80 series

P&P Magnum head, Crane springs, Crane 007, AEM 3-bolt cam gear almost ready to bolt on

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Post by srt4eh » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:46 pm

like i said I just copied and pasted. I would assume that someone going through a swap like this would read everything they could. I read tons of crap and this is the way I wired it because Erick (esteinmeier) said it was the way to go 8)
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Post by jamieely » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:14 am

The other way works it just isnt sequential it is paired injection or some shit, it will run fine several different ways because the fuel will just sit on the valve until opens. I just thought I would mention there was new, technically correct way.
1995 Highline Coupe SOHC MTX.
DOHC Mopar PCM
e85, 30lb injectors, LM-1, SAFC
Custom CAI, 60mm MPx TB, AMM Box Intake, DOHC pistons, built4race UDP
PT Clutch, 3.94 FD
AF/X LTH, High Flow Cat, Spiral Flow, 2.5" piping, Flowmaster 80 series

P&P Magnum head, Crane springs, Crane 007, AEM 3-bolt cam gear almost ready to bolt on

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