Neon Vs. VW Vento VR-6 (Jetta MK3)

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Neon Vs. VW Vento VR-6 (Jetta MK3)

Post by NeonTuning » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:17 am

A friend of mine has a VW Vento VR-6 (in America called a VW Jetta Mark 3)

This is a 6 cyl 2,8 L 12v

Vs.

4 cyl 2.0 SOHC 16v

They are about the same in acceleration, top speed should also be about the same, around 240 on the counter (if that is spelled correct)

Because he has a automatic gear box I win the first 300 meters by 3 car lengths.

Then when I drive about 180 km/h (about 115 MP/H) and have to shift from 4th gear to 5th gear he comes closer, closer, closer.... untill we reach about 220 km/h (135 mp/h) at this point the Vento is about 0,5 car lengths in front of me, so actually he's next to the side of me Neon.

I do not yet have a movie of this but will soon :)

also we do a lot more races, I do not have my Neon on a movie while racing, but I can show you what we do with our car club. I'll post this in another Streetracing topic.

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Post by NeonBLK » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:05 pm

i thought the speed limiter for the neon is 118 mph and the r/t is 120 something...
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Post by wickedgoodneon » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:46 pm

you should be happy that he is an ATX, those VR6's are mighty strong. gotta love them

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Post by robert 'bob' paulson » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:13 am

wickedgoodneon wrote:you should be happy that he is an ATX, those VR6's are mighty strong. gotta love them
not so much the 12 valve version. the 30 valve is much better but still easy enough to beat because VW's typically fall into the same weight category as a Sherman tank. i owned a 93 Passat VR6 and sure the ride was pretty comfortable but it had a hard time getting out of its own way.

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Post by NeonTuning » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:56 am

My Neon is about the same as a GOLF VR-6 manual 5 speed (STOCK)

The only thing is, when I must shift to 5th gear, my RPM will go down as hell, so I don't have enough power to keep up with them above 180 km/h.

But from 0 km/h I will be in front untill I shift to 3th gear, from that point on the VR-6 will come closer and closer and finally when around 180 km/h he will pass me.

But I do keep sticking on his bumper, it's not that much faster.
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Post by wickedgoodneon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:19 am

I know but properly tuned those VR6's can be rather fast, and yes VW's are tanks, that why i like MK2's there not half as heavy as mk3 or mk4

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Post by NeonTuning » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:54 am

yes because of the fact that the vr6 is a much bigger engine, you have a very potential car.

But you must tune it in order to go realy fast. Stock I think I pull them away a bit :)

It's always like, when we talk about it, he says: ''I'm faster than you are!!''

Then I always say...

Just too bad Volkswagen needs a 2,8 liter engine just to keep up with a 2 liter engine ;)
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Post by ubengineering » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:27 am

95 acrs had no rev limiter, and if u cut one of the wires form the pcm the rev limiter is removed completely, (pics up soon)
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Post by Caustic » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:39 am

The problem with the VR6 is the narrow angle of the V, the fact that it only has one head making the combustion happen mostly in the block dosent help either. My buddie had a MKIII 12v VR6 and he could not out run my 03 atx on the highway. Boosted the VR6 is bad ass but without cams headers and a P&P job they are slow
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Post by NeonTuning » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:55 am

ubengineering wrote:95 acrs had no rev limiter, and if u cut one of the wires form the pcm the rev limiter is removed completely, (pics up soon)
huh??? let me know is that is the case, then I will remove the rev limiter!!

Does that also mean I don't have to buy a Mopar PCM, or does it realy just mean the rev limiter is gone?

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Post by NeonTuning » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:00 pm

ubengineering wrote:95 acrs had no rev limiter, and if u cut one of the wires form the pcm the rev limiter is removed completely, (pics up soon)
I have a 5 speed manual Chrysler Neon LE (luxe edition) 2.0L SOHC

is that an ACR??

because I have a rev limiter, it kicks in at 6500RPM at the rev counter.
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Post by wickedgoodneon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:51 pm

Caustic wrote:The problem with the VR6 is the narrow angle of the V, the fact that it only has one head making the combustion happen mostly in the block dosent help either. My buddie had a MKIII 12v VR6 and he could not out run my 03 atx on the highway. Boosted the VR6 is bad ass but without cams headers and a P&P job they are slow
wait? mk3 jetta or golf, atx or mtx, and what are the mods on you 03 atx. I had and 01 and 04 atx and there was not way i was keeping up with a VR6

A 12v VR6 has 172 hp and 173 ft lbs of torque
A golf GTI weighs about 2810 lbs. So thats about 16.3 lbs per HP

you neons has a rated 132 hp and 130 ft lbs of torque
and weighs about 2559 lbs. So thats about 19.4 lbs per hp

I'm not questioning what happened on the highway. But a MTX VR6 would absolutely leave your 03 atx behind.

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Post by roysneon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:02 pm

ubengineering wrote:95 acrs had no rev limiter, and if u cut one of the wires form the pcm the rev limiter is removed completely, (pics up soon)


That's completely wrong. Don't listen to that.

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Post by Caustic » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:52 pm

Jetta was a mtx, My atx has a CAI and a R/T muffler. we started puling at around 50 and pulled to around 85 and he could not get away from me, we stayed even the whole way, This was uphill to.
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Post by wickedgoodneon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:18 pm

only to 85, thats cool neons do have a good 40-90 pic up

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