Ran the heap again (Update:6/20/08)

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Ran the heap again (Update:6/20/08)

Post by INVUJerry » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:53 pm

Yep, ran it again today, got about 5 runs in. I finally took all the extra junk out of my car, but I just ran on my steet tires (195/60/14 Falken 312's). I had them aired down to 30 PSI hot (I keep then around 40 for gas mileage).

Tried shifting around 7K, didn't seem like it did much for me
R/T: .840
60': 2.339
330': didn't read
1/8: 10.197
1/8 MPH: 67.96
1000': 13.290
1/4: 15.915
1/4 MPH: 86.66
Opponent: 18.926@74.51 <--Chevy Caprice

#2
R/T: .911
60': 2.246
330': 6.497
1/8: 10.060
1/8 MPH: 68.61
1000': 13.150
1/4: 15.753
1/4 MPH: 86.90
Opponent time: 13.004@108.27

#3
R/T: 1.227
60': 2.263
330': 6.551
1/8: 10.136
1/8 MPH: 68.03
1000': 13.249
1/4: 15.869
1/4 MPH: 86.48
Opponent time:13.343@108.45

#4
R/T: .801
60': 2.253
330': 6.514
1/8: 10.096
1/8 MPH: 69.37
1000': 13.192
1/4: 15.796
1/4 MPH: 86.93
Opponent time: 16.788@87.53 (3.079 60')

#5
R/T: .715
60': 2.247
330': 6.536
1/8: 10.107
1/8 MPH: 68.61
1000': 13.186
1/4: 15.775
1/4 MPH: 87.38
Opponent time: 15.304@92.53 I had that guy until right before the 1/8th, his time at the 1/8th was 9.941. He was in a 3.5 Altima I believe.

#6
R/T: .654
60': 2.229
330': 6.535
1/8: 10.118
1/8 MPH: 68.40
1000': 13.205
1/4: 15.800
1/4 MPH: 87.23

Interesting thing about the 4th run. The kid was in a nice Scion TC. He had never raced before though, he started doing his burnout about 10 feet behind the burnout box. Then he blew by the time slip box to get his slip. He saw me with mine, and asked where to get it, and I walked him through the whole thing. Drive around the water box, spin just a little, then don't absolutely dump the clutch to go. His next run was a 15.8 with a 2.4 60'. Then, right before I left, he clicked a 15.3. It felt good to know that even with my stupid high 15 second neon, I helped someone get off a better time.

Saw a WICKED 1st gen neon there. The guy said he used to be on .org years ago, but I didn't ask his username, and forgot his real name. He had a hahn stage 5 setup, and said that on 30 PSI he dynod 500 HP, and on 15 PSi he was around 300 WHP. He was on 15 PSI, and running crappy DR's first, then a set of too short slicks, and was clicking off 12.7's.
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Post by chipdogg » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:21 am

Lol, that's what you'll run when you handicap yourself with one less cam.

Same reason they make sure you have 2 testicles to play football in high school, 1 doesn't cut it :lol:

Sadly my old white SOHC ran 15.706 or something like 3 years ago. After the semi hit it. Busted windshield, 4 colors, cheap Sears tires, full interior, UDP, Iceman, Mopar computer, and no accessories.
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'99 Intense Blue R/T - #51

52 and counting, when will it stop?

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Post by INVUJerry » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:50 pm

Yeah, the car is still full interior, with the accessories, but the belt isn't hooked up. I think I'm gonna pull the AC and PS soon, and then when I do my timing belt I'm gonna throw in my mag cam, and I'll have my mag intake on it soon.
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Post by Tyler » Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:01 pm

I know you want it for fun but you are not gonna get any real power from that sohc. I hate seeing you throw more money in it for a possible high 14 run, if that.

Im starting to get my turbo parts together, maybe thats something you should think about before you waste too much money.

Good job though!
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Post by INVUJerry » Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:55 pm

Well, mag cam, mag intake, and I'm gonna stay there for a while. My car will probably get the juice eventually, maybe a turbo. This car I want to hit a 14, but I still want to keep my mid-high 30 MPG range.
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Post by Tyler » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:14 pm

For those goals and needs your fine then. As long as your happy with where it is, thats all that really matters. I was just talking on a pure performance stand point.
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Post by INVUJerry » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:51 pm

Just filled the tank up. 6 1/4 mile passes, and city driving, got me 28 MPG. I was averaging 35 on the highway. I still love this car, even if it only runs 15's.
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Post by INVUJerry » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:18 pm

Ran it again tonight. Changed my oil, my air filter to a K&N from a generic POS that came with it, rotated my tires (Falken ZE-312's I think) and took out my rear seat and trunk carpet.

Got into the lanes at 7, and found out Outlaw Pro Street series was running, and a drag radial series, so I waited forever to run. I finally ran around 9. In the meantime I had lowered my air pressure to 34PSI from 41.

It had cooled down pretty good, and I felt somewhat confident.

Rolled up to the line, went around the water box, and I was going against a yellow mustang with a procharger, I had no chance with it.

So, I staged, I launched with a .9 light.

Went, got the slip, and was very surprised.

R/T: .996
60': 2.179!
330': 6.361
1/8:9.842
1/8 MPH: 70.51
1000': 12.845
1/4: 15.391
1/4 MPH: 88.66

I was fucking amazed.

A 2.1 60' was what really got me. I'm happy as shit right now. Engine mods are still the same:
3.0 CAI, 3" inlet K&N filter, PS and AC belt pulled off (parts still there), solid rear bobble, AFX header, 2.5" dynomax, dynomax camaro muffler, and mopar DOHC computer.
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Post by farmboy » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:52 pm

i'm really new to racing, tonight was only the 2nd time i've run the car. I can't figure out what i'm doing wrong. I've got a 98 ACR, with a AEM intake, mopar performance computer, mopar performance exhaust, .20 overbore pistons, automatic TB, bully stage 1 clutch, booger bushings, (all the previous was done by the previous owner, i haven't done anything yet) running on street tires. The best time I could manage was a crappy 16.602 with a reaction time of .637? I had better reaction times as the night went on but couldn't pull better than that? Granted, there is something wrong with my tranny, (2nd is giving me issues), and also with my exhaust, (keeps throwing a cat failure code), but I thought it would get into the high 15's easily...

Amy of you more experienced guys and girls have any suggestions? For next time, i'm going to have the tranny replaced, (next weekend, picked up a spare 3.94 last monday), and will try different tires at a lower pressure. (exhaust will have to wait until i can get the Mopar Performance header i have fixed and installed at the same time as replacing the cat.)

I'm just really confused right now...thought this car would run better than it does.

here's the slip info...

r/t....637
60'...2.489
330'....000 (no info i guess)
1/8...10.769
mph...65.58
1000...13.945
1/4...16.602
mph...84.81

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Post by INVUJerry » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:51 am

Your 60 foot is pretty bad. .1 off your 60' is worth .2 in the 1/4 mile. Say you hit a 2.2 60', you'll hit a 16.2 in the 1/4 with the same trap speed, but that might go up since you're covering more area faster. Find out whats wrong with your cat, and tranny, and give it another go.
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Post by farmboy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:58 am

the tranny is getting replaced next sunday...the 29th. i'm going to wait on the cat though until i get the header fixed so i can install both at the same time. (just going to put a new cat on the car). would it be a benefit to do other things like running different tires at a lower pressure? i'm not looking to be a hard core race nut here, just doing this for fun, but i would like to get some better times.

i'll work on that 60' time too. any suggestions? i was holding rpm's at about 2500 until the final yellow lit up and then dumping the clutch... is there a technique you can share or is this just a practice and experience thing that i'll learn over time?

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Post by TomZ » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:58 am

2k2rt wrote:i'm really new to racing, tonight was only the 2nd time i've run the car. I can't figure out what i'm doing wrong. I've got a 98 ACR, with a AEM intake, mopar performance computer, mopar performance exhaust, .20 overbore pistons, automatic TB, bully stage 1 clutch, booger bushings, (all the previous was done by the previous owner, i haven't done anything yet) running on street tires. The best time I could manage was a crappy 16.602 with a reaction time of .637? I had better reaction times as the night went on but couldn't pull better than that? Granted, there is something wrong with my tranny, (2nd is giving me issues), and also with my exhaust, (keeps throwing a cat failure code), but I thought it would get into the high 15's easily...

Amy of you more experienced guys and girls have any suggestions? For next time, i'm going to have the tranny replaced, (next weekend, picked up a spare 3.94 last monday), and will try different tires at a lower pressure. (exhaust will have to wait until i can get the Mopar Performance header i have fixed and installed at the same time as replacing the cat.)

I'm just really confused right now...thought this car would run better than it does.

here's the slip info...

r/t....637
60'...2.489
330'....000 (no info i guess)
1/8...10.769
mph...65.58
1000...13.945
1/4...16.602
mph...84.81

If you're spinning tires on the launch, you're wasting time. With street tires you need to:

1. AVOID THE WATER BOX! Just dry spin them a little to clean them off.

2. Lower the pressure to 20 PSI and experiment from there.

3. Avoid spinning on the launch. A "little" spin is OK, but just a very little. A "perfect" launch has no spin. You need to experiment with the tire pressure, launch RPM and clutch engagement.

4. Reaction time: don't worry about this until you can launch better. If you wait until the green you will suck. If you go on the last yellow, you'll suck too. Try going on the next to last yellow (probably too soon, and you'll red light), and adjust accordingly.



At this point, the car is capable of better times. The driver needs improvement, lol. A FWD MTX is a bitch to launch. It takes practice.
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Post by chipdogg » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:04 am

Damn Jerry, not too bad for a SOHC. We got DOHCs here with less mods knocking on 14's :lol:

Soon though we'll see what a low mileage Magnum engine (with manifolds and working butterflies) will do in a base 1gn with a 3.55.
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Post by INVUJerry » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:20 am

We also know of a DOHC with 18's that runs a 15.0!

I'm hoping for a 14.9 by the end of summer. My mag intake and 2002 cam (and weight loss in the driver) should get me there.
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Post by farmboy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:25 am

If you're spinning tires on the launch, you're wasting time. With street tires you need to:

1. AVOID THE WATER BOX! Just dry spin them a little to clean them off.

2. Lower the pressure to 20 PSI and experiment from there.

3. Avoid spinning on the launch. A "little" spin is OK, but just a very little. A "perfect" launch has no spin. You need to experiment with the tire pressure, launch RPM and clutch engagement.

4. Reaction time: don't worry about this until you can launch better. If you wait until the green you will suck. If you go on the last yellow, you'll suck too. Try going on the next to last yellow (probably too soon, and you'll red light), and adjust accordingly.



At this point, the car is capable of better times. The driver needs improvement, lol. A FWD MTX is a bitch to launch. It takes practice.
so other than the water box, which i've avoided, and trying to not to have too much wheel spin, you're saying that this is something that just takes a lot of practice? practice and a little bit of experimenting with the car...ie: tire pressure and rpm's at launch?

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